Usage of Stores

[tim]

Sorry for posting this like this, I can only reply to threads, not create them. 

Current
[51.1] USAGE OF STORES
[51.11] Every TOE Strength Point in play requires four Stores Points per Game-Turn, except as noted below.

[51.12] Prisoners use stores, at a rate of one Stores Point per five Prisoner Points per Operations Stage. (See 28.15). Prisoners must be supplied with Stores before any other units. For this purpose only, if there are no Stores in the hex, Stores may be deducted from the nearest supply dump, regardless of how far away it is.
[51.13] HQ and engineer units require only one Stores Point per Game-Turn (regardless of assigned TOE equipment).
[51.14] Stores may have to be expended during construction. See 24.0.
[51.15] Each Stores Point weighs one ton. Stores may be transported by trucks or planes, and they may be airdropped. Stores must be present in the hex to be used. Stores on truck convoys cannot be used until off-loaded.
[51.16] Fifty per cent of any captured Stores Points may be used by the opposing Player; the rest are lost.
[51.17] Guard points require two Stores points per Game-Turn each. Guards may also draw from the nearest dump as per 51.12.


Proposed to add in the reference to Oases and to organize the clauses more logically:
[51.1] USAGE OF STORES
[51.11] Every TOE Strength Point in play requires four Stores Points per Game-Turn, except as noted below.

[51.12] HQ and engineer units require only one Stores Point per Game-Turn (regardless of assigned TOE equipment).
[51.13] Units sitting in Oases have all the stores that they need and do not require the expenditure of Stores Points. See 52.3.
[51.14] Prisoners use stores, at a rate of one Stores Point per five Prisoner Points per Operations Stage. (See 28.15). Prisoners must be sup¬plied with Stores before any other units. For this purpose only, if there are no Stores in the hex, Stores may be deducted from the nearest supply dump, regardless of how far away it is. Guard points require two Stores points per Game-Turn each. Guards may also draw from the nearest dump the same as prisoners.
[51.15] Stores may have to be expended during construction. See 24.0.
[51.16] Each Stores Point weighs one ton. Stores may be transported by trucks or planes, and they may be airdropped. Stores must be present in the hex to be used. Stores on truck convoys cannot be used until off-loaded.
[51.17] Fifty per cent of any captured Stores Points may be used by the opposing Player; the rest are lost.

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Some brief responses, if I am allowed (yes, for the time being, I still intend to give this a shot):

1) I concur with Tim's recommended clarification of 49.3. It is intuitively obvious that wells and pipelines whould not be subject to evaporation (both realistically and within the original rules) so an explicit statement to that effect does not change the game.

2) I don't know why Tim felt it necessary to renumber 51.11-17; it made tracking the actual changes a bit difficult (I only found two):
a) In 51.12 (now 51.14), concur that guards should draw stores as prisoners and from nearest *accessible* supply dump.
b) Concur with adding the new 51.13; again, I believe that this is established elsewhere in the original rules but should be included here as well for clarity.

3) I do not believe that turn/op stage evaporation calculations should be combined, nor need they be. 6%/9% per turn plus 5% on hot stages is just fine and - if the spreadsheets work properly - are easy to implement and track. The original rules on this are fine.

4) Concur with clarification of 52.11 that pipelines must originate at wells in cities, not birs or villages. No, I do not believe this is technically consistent with the original rules but I do believe that it is consistent with their intent.

5) Concur with the intent of the suggested clarification to 49.3. I recommend that the parenthetical be phrased as "(not including fuel and water in convoys at sea or carried as cargo on trucks)".

[tim]

Following on Bob's response:

#2 - you're right, the corrections and clarifications are few. I just felt that the whole section wasn't edited well, though your millage may vary. So I suggest, and it is only a suggestion, that we re-order the clauses so that they are grouped together better.

#4 - I know that everyone agrees, but I want to be clear that rules 52.21 and 52.22 are explicit that Major Cities are the only water source that a pipeline can draw from.

#5 - I disagree about the parenthetical - evaporation and spillage in the original rules was intended to apply to fuel and water carried as cargo on trucks. Unless your point was to change that.

[Michael Miller]

I concur with Bob's notes for the most part. The reordering of the cases in 51.1x does seem a slight improvement overall, but not completely necessary. I am turning my game-related efforts mostly to Cyberboard at this point, along with strategic plans.

[ATD]

2a Here, I believe that Tim made a point about "gamey" tactics with which I concurred and we decided that (despite what I had conjectured earlier) we would go with unavoidable deduction of supplies for prisoners, regardless of supply accessibility.

3 Yes, already decided. The computer will do it (although the module to do that has yet to be written).

5 Water and fuel carried as cargo are subject to evaporation and spillage in 1st line trucks and truck convoys. Fuel tanks is not subject to loss however.

52.44 Requires a tweak as well.

[Michael Miller]

Summarizing using Tim's post as basis in Orange, and adding a couple of clarifications in Green based on reading the various thread posts:

Current
[51.1] USAGE OF STORES
[51.11] Every TOE Strength Point in play requires four Stores Points per Game-Turn, except as noted below.

[51.12] Prisoners use stores, at a rate of one Stores Point per five Prisoner Points per Operations Stage. (See 28.15). Prisoners must be supplied with Stores before any other units. For this purpose only, if there are no Stores in the hex, Stores may be deducted from the nearest supply dump, regardless of how far away it is.
[51.13] HQ and engineer units require only one Stores Point per Game-Turn (regardless of assigned TOE equipment).
[51.14] Stores may have to be expended during construction. See 24.0.
[51.15] Each Stores Point weighs one ton. Stores may be transported by trucks or planes, and they may be airdropped. Stores must be present in the hex to be used. Stores on truck convoys cannot be used until off-loaded.
[51.16] Fifty per cent of any captured Stores Points may be used by the opposing Player; the rest are lost.
[51.17] Guard points require two Stores points per Game-Turn each. Guards may also draw from the nearest dump as per 51.12.


Proposed to add in the reference to Oases and to organize the clauses more logically:

[51.1] USAGE OF STORES
[51.11] Every TOE Strength Point in play requires four Stores Points per Game-Turn, except as noted below.
[51.12] HQ and engineer units require only one Stores Point per Game-Turn (regardless of assigned TOE equipment).
[51.13] Units sitting in Oases have all the stores that they require for subsistence and do not require the expenditure of Stores Points (see 52.3). Stores still need to be provided for use in construction or demolition (see 24.0, 51.15).
[51.14] Prisoners use stores, at a rate of one Stores Point per five Prisoner Points per Operations Stage, rounded up (see 28.15). Prisoners must be supplied with Stores before any other units. For this purpose only, if there are no Stores in the hex, Stores may be deducted from the nearest supply dump, regardless of how far away it is. Guard points require two Stores points per Game-Turn each. Guards may also draw from the nearest dump the same as prisoners.
[51.15] Stores may have to be expended during construction or demolition (see 24.0).
[51.16] Each Stores Point weighs one ton. Stores may be transported by trucks or planes, and they may be airdropped. Stores must be present in the hex to be used. Stores on truck convoys cannot be used until off-loaded.
[51.17] Fifty per cent of any captured Stores Points may be used by the opposing Player; the rest are lost.

[tim]

Great.